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Given current carbon prices, the march of the pine trees across the landscape has only just begun. The implications are massive

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Given current carbon prices, the march of the pine trees across the landscape has only just begun. The implications are massive

My previous article on carbon farming focused on the North Island hard-hill country. If financial returns are to be the key driver of land-use, and based on a carbon price of $48 per tonne, then the numbers suggested that carbon farming on that class of country is a winner.

By my calculations, sheep and beef farms on this hard-hill country provide an internal rate of return (IRR) of around 2%, whereas my recent estimate for carbon farming was 9.7%.

Here I extend the analysis, still using a price of $48 per tonne, by looking at the easier hill country that Beef+Lamb (B&L) categorise as ‘Class 4 North Island Hill Country’. This fits between their ‘Class 3 North Island hard-hill country’ and the ‘Class 5 North Island intensive finishing farms’.

The Class 4 hill country totals around 1.8 million effective farming hectares according to a B&L 2020 Fact Sheet. These farms average 434 farming hectares, with the land and buildings worth about $12,400 per hectare. The average return on total capital invested, which includes livestock and machinery, is around 2.5%, but this still has to pay the owner’s drawings.

In general, trees don’t mind too much whether they are on medium or steep hills. It is all about moisture and light interception. Accordingly, the official ‘Look-up’ tables setting the allocation of carbon credits do not discriminate by slope or aspect.

Land area is always measured as the equivalent flat area, as if all the land was bulldozed to a flat condition. Accordingly, a steep slope will have more sloping surface area than a flat area, but the light interception per square metre of that sloping surface area will be less.

In assessing the economics of carbon farming on this land and using the official Schedule 6 Look-up tables, there is only one important change needed to the figures I recently used for the hard-hill country. That change is that land and buildings for this more moderate land are valued by B&L at $12,400 per hectare rather than the $8100 for the hard-hill country.  I also increased the land rates from $23 per hectare to $32 per hectare but the overall effect of that is trivial.

So here is the comparison for B&L Class 4 hill country. Under carbon forestry, the estimated IRR is 7.0%, compared to about 2.5% under sheep and beef.

In response to my last article, I received numerous emails both from foresters, farmers and others. Some of the points they were making apply to both hard and more moderate hill country, and I will respond to key points here.

The risk of disaster

The calculations I have reported so far do not include allowance for disaster by fire, pests or disease.   What happens to the carbon credits in that situation?

The disaster regulations are not necessarily set in concrete quite yet, but my understanding is that if disaster occurs, then carbon credits take a ‘holiday’. The forest owner does not have to repay anything, but there are no more credits until the forest recovers to its previous stage, with this including replanting if necessary.

As an example, I analysed a scenario whereby disaster strikes after eight years, and that it then takes another ten years to recover to the previous state. On the hard-hill country, that reduced the IRR from 9.7% down to 6.9%. On the moderate hill country, it dropped the IRR from 7.0% % down to 4.9%. In both cases, it extended the claimable credits out further into the future, with the 50 years of credits still claimable but now over a longer period.   

Delaying the disaster until the forest is 20 years of age has a lesser effect. For example, on the easier hill country and assuming the same recovery period of 10 years, the IRR now becomes 5.9% rather than 4.9%. This smaller effect may seem surprising, but it is caused by the carbon credits having already substantially exceeded the initial investment by the time of the disaster. Accordingly, for carbon forestry and in marked contrast to production forests, a late-stage disaster is a lesser disaster from a purely financial perspective.

Extending the benefits beyond 50 years

In my previous article, I stated that the benefits were only valued out to 50 years because that is as far as the ‘Look-up’ tables extend. However, an MPI specialist confirmed in a recent webinar to members of the NZ Institute of Primary industry Management, which I attended, that these tables will be extended once more data become available.

Based on discussions with foresters, I have assumed as one scenario that the forests will continue to earn credits for another 30 years through to 80 years at 20 tonnes per annum per hectare. That is sufficiently far off that those additional years have only a minor effect on the IRR, raising it by only around 0.1%. This is trivial in terms of the overall financial returns.

The benefits of scale

The advice I have received from foresters has emphasised that the Look-up tables are conservative. However, for forests of less than 100 hectares, I am told these are the numbers that must be used.

In contrast, for forests larger than 100 hectares, the numbers to be used must come from surveys by professionally accredited forest surveyors. This obviously comes with a cost, but the additional benefits on well managed and favourable sites can be considerable.

One forester advises me that he recommends a permanent forest should be planted at 1600 trees per hectare, instead of the normal 1000. Also, there is no need to thin or prune such a forest, and this gives a further advantage over the Schedule 6 Look-up numbers. The upside from doing things this way is considerable.  It is a big advantage for the big boys!   

What happens if the carbon price crashes?

I don’t expect that to happen. But if it did – let’s say that it dropped to $2 which is where it was for several years earlier this century. The financially optimal investment strategy would then be to cut down the forest and repay the credits at that miniscule price of $2, and then change the land-use back to whatever had become more profitable. This is exactly what happened some ten years ago with big areas in the Central North Island, and also to a lesser extent elsewhere, with the most profitable alternative land-use being dairy.

Pulling it all together

If financial returns were all that mattered, then it is clear that current carbon prices are sufficient to justify turning much of the North Island sheep and beef land into carbon forests.  However, financial returns are not everything. 

To explain that a little more, the commercial world operates on the basis of maximising profits within a regulatory environment.  It is up to the regulatory environment to take other things into account. Those issues include the need for export earnings, with carbon trading being essentially an internal market. There are also big issues as to whether locking up land in this way is actually the right moral thing to do.

Those issues are too big to address here. However, I am likely to have more to say about those issues in the near future.

The big message right now is that carbon farming is becoming a game changer in New Zealand rural land-use. It is where the money lies.  We need to think carefully about the full implications thereof.


*Keith Woodford was Professor of Farm Management and Agribusiness at Lincoln University for 15 years through to 2015. He is now Principal Consultant at AgriFood Systems Ltd. You can contact him directly here.

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Keith. I would argue the return is even higher when taking into account most farms that are planted for carbon farming are having the houses subdivided off and sold as lifestyle blocks.
In Northland this is reducing the original investment cost significantly with the lifestyle market prices having followed the strong residential increases.
And now our carbon price is bouncing just under the upper cap of $50 how far away from a lift in the cap to $70 or $80?
How long can farmers continue to fight against the growth in carbon farming as more and more of your neighbours plant trees and you know financially it is the right thing for them to do.

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Don't think farmers are fighting the carbon farming, but they want to know how this all plays out. It's not just plant some trees and everything will be right. I would like to sell the farm but wouldn't know what to do with my time. Not really a person to sit under a tree.

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https://www.50shadesofgreen.co.nz/

If only we could put a price on biodiversity as opposed to carbon.

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Those 50 shades of green guys seem to be promoting the sort of "biodiversity" based on clover and ryegrass, grazed over by animal slaves.

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*Delicious* animal slaves

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oh yeah I know - if God didn't mean us to eat animals how come they are made of meat?

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Great article Keith. What do the IRR numbers look like for natives (bush / kauri)? Sounds like native plantations might be borderline viable but will be shut out by the more profitable radiata?

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Jfoe,
I have not yet calculated the IRR for natives but it will be very low. They are expensive to plant, are susceptible to not establishing, and grow at about one third the rate of pine.
KeithW

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For one of my lectures, I went to update this info-graphic from the PGF One Billion Trees program;

https://www.mpi.govt.nz/forestry/funding-tree-planting-research/one-bil…

And given I had the old diagram from a year ago, I found some oddities - particularly in the change in the mix of trees exotic v native.

As at 18 May 2020, the diagram stated:

12% are native species
88% are exotic species

Whereas the updated chart, as at April 2021, the diagram states;

70% are native species
31% are exotic species

Hmm? Happy to forward on the two diagrams if you want to compare them, Keith - perhaps you can make sense of it!

I'm guessing the diagram will soon disappear altogether as they aren't updating it weekly as is promised on the page linked above;

Check back weekly to see how we're tracking to the goal of planting one billion trees by 2028.

And of course the last update shown at the link above is 9 April 2021!!!!

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Kate
Those numbers relate to subsidised tree plantings which are only a small proportion of total plantings and give a totally biased perspective.
In my opinion, the so-called billion trees program is just a a PR political stunt. Much of it is simply replanting of harvested stands.
The key issues are:
1) the hectares existing forests harvested and replanted
2) the hectares of new forests planted.
Almost all of the replanted forests will be pine. They are not relevant for carbon credits
Most of the new plantings will also be pine.
The focus on trees rather than hectares is all BS.
Keith

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Perhaps the change came from getting a clear message from the public that government subsidising pine trees was a very unpopular policy and 'switched' their focus to subsidising natives. One can but hope.

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Keith, always appreciate you taking the time to respond. My read of the numbers when I did some work in this field, was that lifetime carbon removal for trees like Kauri and Totara was pretty decent and my initial crunch of the numbers would suggest viability as an alternative to livestock at $50+ per tonne. However, land owners will always go with radiata if the numbers are all that matter.

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Jfoe,
I have used IRR as my key financial criteria, and that is consistent with how the commercial world works. But if I had used net present value ( NPV) and used a very low social rate of discount of say 2% then kauri and totara would start to look more competitive - or at least less non-competitive. The difference reflects commerce within a capitalist perspective, versus societal perspectives where long term sustainability may tell a different story. The tension between those perspectives is something I may write about in a future article. But Step 1 was to write about where the profit driven perspective which drives commercial decisions leads.
KeithW

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Thank you.

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I would also like to add a few things:
If you plant your pine forest as a carbon sink, NOT to be harvested, you do not have to abide by the NES for Plantation forestry.
Ergo you can kinda do what you want. And then, all you have to do is decide 30 years down the track that oh yea, we might harvest this now, and boom, there are no repercussions.

The other risk, is that if you plant natives, you will be captured under the new SNA rules, so effectively have your land confiscated from you. You will never even have the OPTION to consider harvesting it or cutting it down (which is the point of carbon credits but at least pines still gives you that option)

It is an all round terribly thought-out, kick the can down the road scheme.

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If you have planted natives for carbon credits and it later is identified as having significant biodiversity values (also confirming you are doing something right with your forest management) how is it confiscating your land?

You still get the carbon credit return, you will still be able to do things as a permitted activity, you will still be able to apply for resource consent for other activities in the area.

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Yeah, I didn't get the above point either.

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Plus if you plant more than 50 Ha , you have the option of milling it sustainably.
I think it is very unlikely a newly planted area would be declared a SNA , unless it had other special features.

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"Existing grazing, tourism, or honey production for example can carry on. But these activities won't be able to intensify, and new activities won't be allowed to negatively affect SNAs."

We use criteria to identify areas of vegetation which contain significant values. Areas are generally considered important where they are:

Naturally uncommon or threatened ecosystem types, or
Habitats of threatened or at risk species of native plants or animals,
Important seasonal or permanent habitat for species,
Wildlife corridors between natural areas, (this one is key, the patch of bush doesnt have to have any significance itself, just be near other patches.)
Representative vegetation or fauna of the district, and/or (what?? this includes Manuka and Kanua in a lot of cases)
Located in the coastal environment.

Im all for protecting actually significant patches of bush, but the problem is, how it is currently legislated it over reaches significantly form the actual objectives.
Also, the vast majority of areas being identified as SNA's is done through desktop analysis by looking at google earth. And once it has been designated as such, it is impossible to get it undesignated, so your land is effectively been removed from your control even though it has no significance.
EG a lady in wellington had a sig part of her land designated as an SNA, and was told she had to get an ecologist in to prove that it isnt. Problem is, there are non available, so has been waiting 8 years! all while not being able to do shit with her land.

Anyway, native carbon sinks need to be prioritised over shit pines. Really short term thinking. And there are still a number of legislative issues that need to be ironed out.

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does livestock have to be excluded from the area claimed as carbon forest ?. (on a legal basis , not a practical one such as them eating the seedlings).

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You can graze carbon forests. In fact incorporating farming with carbon forest is the ideal as the farm becomes more profitable which in turn is a bonus for the local economy because of the increased spending by farmers.

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The key requirement is that the canopy has to be 30% of the ground cover. I would need to check as to how soon that 30% canopy has to be achieved. I suspect the 30% canopy has to be achieved before credits can be claimed.
KeithW

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Has to achieve 30% canopy cover at maturity. Minimum trees per ha required at planting/survival. If you do not achieve it you have to pay credits back and potentially with penalties.

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Where do we find the requirements, i.e minimum trees per Ha? Thanks.

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MPI website takes a bit of trawling there is also a number or email them with a question. Email on website

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DP, so i will edit to add.
My own plans (only got 10 acres), is planting trees that provide some form of edibles , such as acorns,tagasaste, carob type seed pods etc. already , i have found to my cost the cows love some natives ( totally demolished Karaka in one brief incursion) , but I want to plant them anyway . Not too bothered if it doesnt qualify, planting the trees is the main priority.

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Cattle will kill any seedling, if they don't want to eat it they'll have a go breaking it with their heads just for fun.

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I thought that had learnt it off the goat , who was boss( she was the only one with horns).

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Contrary Labour :In the same year the government declared a climate emergency, imports of an especially dirty type of coal from Indonesia topped a million tonnes for the first time since 2006.

Last year, 235 kilograms of overseas coal was imported for every New Zealander in order to power homes and businesses. This is also only imported coal; the country also produces coal domestically.

Ninety-two per cent of the imported coal was from Indonesia, and the vast majority of that was a low-grade, high-emissions type: sub-bituminous coal

"Not only are we burning more coal, [but] it's the dirtiest coal. And it comes from Indonesia where the conditions and the mining is appalling,

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Yes , it is far from ideal. Meanwhile , a gas plant stands idle in Taranaki. Problem is , the only thing governing which plant runs , is the market. (and hydro storage , but that is primarily a market decision as well). How does a government intervene? Please don't bring up the gas exploration ban , a total red herring, no new explorations have taken place for years , again market driven .

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I wondered whether the OMV exploration was called off because of the ban. They saw the writing on the wall and didn't continue their exploration because they weren't sure they'd find anything before their permit ran out, even though they knew there was a major find waiting out in the Great Southern Basin.

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You are dead right. A massive multinational company like OMV is not going to invest hundreds of millions of $$ in exploration in a country that does not have a politically stable system around your business. It would just be throwing money down the drain. Such a shame about the Great South Basin :/

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Or OMV were just looking ahead and realising that the IEA was going to recommend to all countries to end all oil and gas exploration.

Some issue called climate change, maybe you have heard of it?

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Some issue called keeping the lights/votes on. Cindy was screaming for more coal the other day when the power went out. Chastising Genesis for not burning enough of that jungle strip mined Indo coal.
End all oil and gas exploration - Cindy is on her own there - “Data that charts how gas fields will remain [in production] up to 2100 is testament to the fact that gas is abundant,” says Gordon. “We will never run out, and therein lies the rub. We cannot solve our climate problems through demand shifts only. The oil and gas industry typically acts like a herd. When they are in, they are all in. You can see this in the trillions of dollars of planned investments.”
https://energymonitor.ai/finance/risk-management/exclusive-natural-gas-…

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Is it really that hard to spell her name correctly?

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"Last year, 235 kilograms of overseas coal was imported for every New Zealander in order to power homes and businesses."
Surely we're all responsible for that? Ultimately it's us using the stuff not the govt. And the answer is we all need to cut our energy use. If we do that, we won't need to import coal.
And do you think other parties would be any different?

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As a country we are cutting energy use, just not by the rate we have been increasing the population.

Also I buy all my energy from Meridian who claim to be 100% renewable. I absolve myself for all responsibility on coal burning.

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No problem. Shutdown Huntly, around 3x250MW if i recall. There will be a shortage of generation so rolling load shedding will be a consequence. As there is a climate emergency this will no doubt be acceptable to many Kiwis. Price likely to go up as well. This can continue for 5-10 years while unreliable, sorry renewable generation is constructed.
When and if gas supplies are restored and the price is right, Huntly can start up again. The lesser of two evils

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I think in the long run the carbon scheme may drive up food prices for all participants. It's hard enough for policy makers to nudge the economy and to manage economic output based on carbon allocation creates an extra layer of complexity. I think moving forward, we'll see more misalignment in resource allocation and greater inefficiencies in the market; together with a hard ceiling, will result in the stiffling of the economy as a whole.

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Father in law just got an email saying from next year, any property over 80ha will be need to have a plan for monitoring and reducing ghg emissions. My feeling is that it’ll be a wealth tax in disguise. Talk about picking winners and losers.

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Beef and Lamb NZ have just put their ghg calculator on line - it seems fairly straight forward to use. They want a good body of evidence showing how many sheep and beef farms are already offsetting their emissions, even though they aren't allowed to claim any credits for a lot of the carbon their farms are sequestering.

https://beeflambnz.com/ghg-calculator-info#msdynttrid=Lx4bh8GlDieQcdUjq…

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I suggest then that you do not trust your feelings - they are leading you astray.

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If the economics look like this on a global scale, we are headed for a global famine. Or at least much more expensive food.

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Globally we're headed that way anyway.

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Bingo

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Will this really help the environment? Is it not just another get rich scheme for those with the means to take advantage. Once the pines are felled the land is left completely barren and siltation of water ways is severe. We need reforest steep land with natives on a permanent basis. Keep the good flat land for food. It may make more sense to sell gas exploration permits and use the money to pay farmers to implement environmental improvements on their farms. Natural gas is fairly clean and biodiversity is more important than CO2 targets for a country the size of NZ.

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No, it won’t. It’s a shallow attempt to greenwash yet another shameless profiteering scheme. Use buzz words like carbon neutral and sustainable are used by those who stand to make a bag of cash to convince others that they’re doing it for the environmental.

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I agree. I can’t believe the Green Party supports Carbon trading. They don’t seem to be a Green Party any more. Biodiversity loss is the biggest issue affecting the planet and they are arguing about portraits of long dead politicians and they support covering the country in pine trees. It is so frustrating.

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But there was nothing about Biodiversity in Marama’s speech. It is clearly not a leadership priority. They are a social issues party. Also James Shaw spends a lot more time talking carbon credits than biodiversity.

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He is the climate change minister, not conservation minister. He's keeping to his portfolio

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Yes, a curse on their house. You can see why they are struggling to keep the faith with an informed public. I worry the Generation Zero crowd might still be in the camp given 'Zero' was placed in the name of the legislation. They'll soon catch on though. And good on the group of lawyers taking action on the CCC's carbon budget proposal. Someone needs to stand in front of the train wreck.

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The Green party hasn't "argued" about a painting at all. They asked it be relocated elsewhere in Parliament.

It is National who made a big stink about it, because apparently they think it is something that kiwis care about (they pledged to only talk about things kiwis care about, at their conference in the weekend immediately preceding PaintingGate).

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I dislike the whole idea of carbon offsets. Thanks (actually thanks for nothing) Al Gore and Kyoto.

But the ptb were hardly going to recommend we need to offset our consumerist lifestyle, were they?

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Carbon offsets are specifically to offset our consumerist lifestyle.

I think you mean "curtail".

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Yes that was my meaning :-).

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Yes, our consumerist lifestyle.
So the government has declared a Climate Emergency. We are also told we are in Code Red. Yet we import and burn coal to heat spa pools and for many other wasteful uses of electricity. Some emergency.

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Nothing a Sumptuary Tax won't fix.

The Tax Inspector calls.

Oh, I see you have an expresso machine, a TV in excess of the 32" maximum, a French door refrigerator, and a Laz-E-Boy lounge suite. (Rubs hands).

Looks like you won the Sumptuary Tax Trifecta. It's the top rate for you and yours.....

(Looks over fence, spots a spa pool and a firepit).

Well, must be off, more taxables to - er - Tax. Hooroo....

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This is what the free market for electricity is supposed to solve.
You can not dictate what people can and can not spend their money on, but it is the price that you pay for you electricity that decides this.
If I buy electricity for 20c/kwh I am entitled to do what ever I like with that electricity. If I want to mine Bitcoin with it, because I see value in doing so, you have no right to tell me what I can do with it after I have paid for it. To you it might be a waste of power, but to me it is not and value is subjective.
Same goes for a spa pool, or gaming, or watching television, all ultimately a "waste" of electricity, but it has value to the person using it.

Price of electricity goes up, it changes how people value their electricity usage and they might decide that mining Bitcoin or having a spa pool running 24/7 is no longer worth it.

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Price discovery however only goes so far in respect of allocating resources. A good example is the radio spectrum frequencies sold at auction as private property rights with an expiry term some decades ago. The initial idea being that when the rights expired they would be re-auctioned to the highest bidder. Only there was a problem with that (i.e., infrastructure and other commercial investment made based on those ownership rights) - and so a new policy (a rights on renewal policy) had to be written. Those with existing rights would be made a first-right-of-refusal to re-purchase their frequency rights based on a fair market valuation done by the government.

So, competition (i.e., highest value use) via price discovery went down the gurgler. Then the fair price (according to the government of the day) was announced - and Mediaworks couldn't afford to re-purchase theirs. TV3 no longer a viable business - and the radio frequency assets would go down the gurgler with it. So, what did the government do? It picked up the tab (by way of a loan deal);

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/your-43m-lifeline-to-tv3-owner/UTEBZVOYMB….

My point being, price discovery works when it works and doesn't when it doesn't. It is not an immutable 'truth'.

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Yep I agree with you, in a proper capitalist system it would work.
But we haven't had one of those, and will never get one, as long as the central bank is in the middle manipulating the price of money/ cost of capital.
Money is 50% of every transaction and if you can not get an accurate price of money, then resources will be misallocated. And to top it off, no one is allowed to fail any more so the tax payer will forever be picking up the tab.

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A proper capitalist system - so if it is such a utopian (unobtainable) ideal; so readily corrupted by power and greed - what I can't figure out is why so many people keep defending it in its purest, unobtainable form as the only alternative. The answer to all our problems if only we had implemented it "properly". It's like we're stuck in an argument about what will never be, rather than looking for alternate solutions.

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Utopia is available ?

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Without cutting down fast growing trees how do we build carbon neutral homes and products? More concrete and steel etc? Somethings got to give somewhere and encouraging green building is better than our current practices surely? Fraemors and Lockwood solid wood homes for the win IMHO.

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Currently in the early stages of getting a stretched Fraemohs Kea pieced together. Owner build except for foundation. Agree that being prevented using own timber is more than odd. Ah well, when the mania subsides.......

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Nice kitset. Built my own solid timber bach, more work than you think but very satisfying that it will last. Fortunately I had the use of a 7t digger to lift the heavy pieces.

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How is anyone been prevented from using their own timber???

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Understand anything structural has to be certified?

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Always has been. Basically a limited amount of knots and cracks etc per certain area, not sure if the person certifying needs to be registered . For the likes of farm sheds etc , undressed timber can be used , but needs to be the equilvalent of the amount dressed . i.e , 100*50mm vs 90*45mm.

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In carbon forests, the pines aren't felled. That's the point. Once planted, they stay there forever. If you cut them down, then you have to buy back the carbon credits are the current price. The article talks about this.

That's the concern about carbon farming, it potentially locks land up in perpetuity so that it can't be used for other things like food.

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Just a guess but I think the whole idea/application of carbon markets/trading will have been abandoned by 2050 - hence such a buy back will never be required.

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Yep, I know people that have factored that possibility into their decision to grab the carbon payments. They think in the long run they might be able to mill them.

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FFS what is it two days since the IPCC report 6 is released and you make those irresponsible suggestions?

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The fact is carbon is very profitable.
To partake in this you need eligible land - who owns the land? - farmers.
So in effect the ball is in the farmers court. You have choices
1. Sell the land to the highest bidder and depart the scene - this isn't just being driven by carbon but lack of profit from farming as it is making succession all but impossible or unwilling children wanting that low income lifestyle.
2. Plant areas on your farm that are not profitable and grow carbon only on the hardest, timber and carbon on accessible to harvest areas and farm animals on the best - the mix will depend upon each person, land type etc.
3. Carry on as is - don't sell your land to a forest and sail on or sell only to a farmer.

Carbon price will go higher - will land controls be put on - I personally think yes and it will be in the form of overseas buyers, Permanent radiata on land that can be Profitably/sustainably farmed or grow timber - (Not productive note - profit/sustainable which does not appear in many peoples dictionary).
Do not forget that nothing goes up forever - at some point in the future the price curve will peak and start to fall - the higher it goes the sooner that will arrive. We do need to be careful where permeant forests go - but we need to stop talking about PRODUCTIVE land and start talking about PROFITABLE/SUSTAINABLE landuse.
Demanding that farmers can't decide to plant trees is rather strange from groups that normally defends ones right to have choice - as long as you obey the laws of the land.
As I have noted many times Group 2 above is growing fast and they are moving - the results are spectacular and life changing for them and their families. They want more profit, they want to be able to have succession, they want to have good water and soil erosion outcomes, reduce and offset emissions etc etc.
If more farmers did this there would be less whole farms being planted - the choice lies with the Farmers.

One very interesting trend I am finding is companies now wanting to offset emissions in their business as their customers are now demanding it - here and offshore. They are trying very hard to reduce them but have to offset some. They are now looking to plant forests and offset these - not because they are obligated to through the ETS but their customers are demanding it.
I believe we have reached a tipping point where the market is now driving this - whether there was an ETS or not is not important. Markets demand this via customers and they are responding - if they don't they run the risk of losing customers.
As such groups can rally against the ETS but the market has moved - it now demands this and ETS or not business will comply to what the customer wants.
In short - embrace it, look for the opportunities and sit in the front of the car, driving it and looking ahead into clear air or stay in the trailer eating dust with no idea where you are going.

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Vested interest much?

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Reality

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I realise that carbon farming is profitable but please don’t make out you’re saving the planet. There are enough people in NZ alone that understand the environmental damage production forestry can cause.

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Saving the planet and saving farming families at the same time - and proud of it.

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Man you’ve got high on your own supply there mate.

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Carbon forests aren't production forests.

That's why they're called carbon forests, because they're a different thing.

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Well that’s a whole lot worse than production forest then. Planting exotic (invasive) species to never be harvested instead of the native ones that would normally reside there because it’s more profitable is utter madness. There must be some seriously fat industry fingers in this pie.

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Question....is there a regulatory limit to the amount of total land that (forestry) carbon credits can be claimed upon?

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No

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RBNZ only role has been to support economy and in NZ only economy is housing

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I bought a little 50 acre patch of muddy grass in the middle of nowhere in 1997 and converted it to forestry (I'm an "anything but pine trees" type) after doing something similar in the Wairarapa some years before and selling up. I do everything myself on the odd weekend - plant, prune, thin, fend off weeds. I'm getting close to harvesting with a portable mill.
When carbon credits first arrived I made a gut based decision to stay away from it. My main motivation was to get more trees in NZ and less animal shit washing into the waterways. All these changing rules and being at the mercy of govt whim just struck me as a drag.
Reading this article reminded me how glad I am not to have to care about carbon markets and rules and regulations, for now. I wonder if I'll get dragged in anyway as land use is pulled ever further into the public domain.

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That’s because you’re doing it for the right reason Rob - environmental restoration rather than profiteering.

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Great job. Out of curiosity, have you heard anything from the council designating your land as an SNA?
The current planned legislation would capture any patch of bush on parts of NZ that have "less than 30% of indigenous vegetation" left. This is based off pre human times.

If you go to this site, https://ourenvironment.scinfo.org.nz/maps-and-tools/app/Habitats/lenz_t… anything that is 10, 20 or 30% less will be captured. So you wont be able to do anything with your patch of land once these rules start kicking in Rob (if you are in those areas).

And thats only one criteria, the rules say that if it meets any one of the criteria it will be designated as a area of high national value.

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You do realise that sna protection has been the law since at least 1991 don't you?

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Thanks Galloleous. No, I've not been advised the place will be an SNA. On that map you sent my place ranges from 10 to 30% cover, which strikes me as an assessment done in the 1950s. The entire area was decimated by farming - trees gone, mud and shite washing down into the Kaipara Harbour. The neighbours (real farmers) have a 100 year old photo of ships going past out place up the river (to get logs). These days, a dinghy can squeeze through a channel between the mangroves at high tide.
All that was left on my place was a thin strip of cut over bush near the water - the rest just mud and grass. I got planting straight away. I remember the day the first fantail I saw there came flitting past me, perching on little 2 year old trees I had planted in a row out in the grass. Now it's full of them, and Tui, Morepork, green geckos, wild bee hives.

I found this about SNA from March 2021:
https://www.fndc.govt.nz/Whats-new/Latest-news/Protecting-Significant-N…

The remnant by the water was starting to get infested with convolvulus, which smothers trees. I have fought a 20 year single handed battle to eradicate it (it's notoriously resistant and spreads like mad) and am very slowly winning. When I discovered it I called the council (it started on the district council land by the water) and they were barely interested - I was on my own. If they start chucking more rules at me about what I can do out there I will be sorely tempted to tell them to get stuffed.

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Great job! I am surprised the council was not interested in helping.
When we increased the setback and planted tens of thousands of trees in the riparian zone of our river, the Horizons RC was actually very interested in helping out, especially by providing some trees and subsidised machinery rates.
All the land owners that had the river running through their land joined forces and we fenced and planted the entire length, from where it came out of the Tararua ranges, all the way to the Mnagatainoka river.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Nireaha,+Eket%C4%81huna+4994/@-40.615…
Hard job, especially when you get a flood and ll of your trees get either buried or ripped out. A lot of work.
I am guessing all riparian zones are likely to get captured as SNA's in the coming years as well. The council should at least reduce the rates on protected areas.

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Good effort. The problem with rate reductions is that they still want to collect the same volume of cash so its just distributed over the remaining land and you pay the same amount. Rates are a real issue. You can pay the mortgage off but never the rates!!

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Council offered to help with cost of spray, but it's negligible - by far my biggest constraint is time, and fighting bind weeds for years is tricky, sweaty work and time consuming.
Great to hear about you riperian work.
Your area is just north of the previous place I had in the early 90s (Mt Bruce). Got a light dusting of snow there one winter while I planting - felt like Narnia.

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I can relate we have 80ha of a headwaters on a nationally recognized NZ river with wetlands. Was being dairy grazed now not. Asked ORC for advice on species to plant to get it right, im prepared to pay for plants - its a lot of $$ - not interested sort it out yourself. More interested in our pines being to close to water - they are set back miles more than required. V disappointing response.

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Is there a catchment group nearby Jack? If so, they may have access to an eco-sourced native seed nursery. ORC seem to have a revolving door for staff, many have been leaving, not the first place to go for information.
Have you contacted MPIs Dunedin based Project Lead - Sustainable Land Use - Delivery Regional Economic Development | Agriculture and Investment Services. If not, it could be worth you doing so. A very helpful chap. Landcare Trust also have a very knowledgeable chap in Otago.

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Thanks for that - Ill try them. 80ha is a big area to plant and want to get it right. Talking also with some MPI officials I'm sure funds are going to come for a lot of native regeneration etc - be great if they did to help people who cant fund this sort of work.

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Delicious animal slaves.

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Animals are indeed delicious

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