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A state broadcaster rigorously excluding any and all voices dissenting from the official line, is something most New Zealanders would expect to encounter in Moscow or Beijing – not in Wellington

A state broadcaster rigorously excluding any and all voices dissenting from the official line, is something most New Zealanders would expect to encounter in Moscow or Beijing – not in Wellington

By Chris Trotter*

Last Monday, Neale Jones and Ben Thomas were Kathryn Ryan’s guests on RNZ’s Nine To Noon programme. Ryan’s “Political Panel” is one of the programme’s most listened-to segments – it’s influential. Listening to Jones and Thomas last Monday, however, I was left wondering “influential with whom?”

Political commentary on RNZ has evolved in a very strange way over the past few years. The original intent seemed pretty clear: to secure independent commentary from competent representatives of right-wing and left-wing opinion about the deeds of government, opposition, and other sundry political actors across the week just passed. There can be little doubt that the Political Panel’s most popular right-wing commentator was the volatile – but never boring – Matthew Hooton. The Left, too, put up some formidable champions: Peter Harris from the CTU; the former Alliance MP, Laila Harré.

Critical to the success of these commentators was their willingness to tackle what were often highly sensitive and contentious issues without feeling the need to look over their shoulders. They were as ready – when it was warranted – to put the boot into their own “side” as they were to criticise their more traditional ideological foes.

For the programme’s listeners, this independence of mind constituted a vital ingredient in the Political Panel’s success. The moment commentary becomes predictable it begins to take on the character of spin. Heterodoxy has another important advantage over orthodoxy: its ability to surprise and provoke; a capacity to make those who encounter it think differently about an issue. In other words, it makes for both a better democracy and great radio.

Why, then, has RNZ abandoned this winning formula in favour of a Political Panel comprised, more-or-less exclusively these days, of pollsters and public relations mavens? Now, to be fair to RNZ, it was their star turn, Hooton, who started this particular ball rolling by establishing his own PR company, Exeltium. Not wanting to lose Hooton’s prodigious talent, Nine to Noon decided to offer its listeners a fulsome disclaimer – and hope for the best.

Gradually, however, the nature of RNZ’s political commentary changed. More and more, it became a forum for major players from inside the Wellington beltway. The official pollsters for National and Labour started turning up, followed closely by former ministerial press secretaries and chiefs-of-staff turned PR specialists.

On its face, this seemed like a great idea. After all, if pollsters and well-placed insiders didn’t know what was going on, then who did?

The problem, of course, is that well-placed insiders and party pollsters don’t remain well-placed insiders or party pollsters by blabbing everything they know about the moving and shaking of the movers and shakers to RNZ’s listeners. For the Nine to Noon audience, these keepers of secrets could not be expected (and, presumably, were not expected) to provide anything other than a carefully framed picture of New Zealand politics.

Carefully framed and ideologically neutered. By relying on pollsters and PR people, Nine to Noon was quite consciously narrowing the range of political discussion down to the weekly wins and losses of the major parliamentary players. Only very occasionally does the Political Panel venture out into the broader realm of ideas. The sort of discussion and debate listeners might have heard if the programme’s producers had reached out to academic iconoclasts was not something that RNZ seemed eager to promote.

Which brings us back to last Monday’s discussion between Ryan, Jones and Thomas. Unsurprisingly, one of the topics up for discussion was the Leader of the Opposition’s, Judith Collins’, ongoing effort to get the Labour Government to offer up any sort of coherent response to the He Puapua Report.

If ever there was an issue that called out for a broader discussion, it is the He Puapua Report. Under review is nothing less than the future shape of the New Zealand constitution and a radically reconfigured relationship between Maori and Pakeha New Zealanders.

Rather than venture forth into these stormy waters, however, Ryan attempted to re-frame the discussion as a shrewd Opposition manoeuvre to drive a wedge between the Prime Minister and her Maori caucus. Having thus constricted tightly the parameters of the discussion, Ryan passed the speaking-stick to Thomas. It was at this point that things took a decidedly weird turn.

Riffing off his co-commentator, Jones’s, sneering characterisation of National’s interest in He Puapua as some kind of “conspiracy theory”, Thomas upped the ante by claiming that the report’s critics were treating He Puapua as something akin to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. This charge represents a major step-up in the effort of what might best be described as the New Zealand “political class” to stifle all further debate on the issues covered in the report.

What Thomas (PR consultant) had done was to move beyond Jones’s (Managing Director of PR firm Capital Government Relations) strategy of marginalising the Government’s critics as tin-foil-hat-wearing conspiracy theorists, into the much darker realm of virulent anti-Semitism and far-Right mythology.

For those who don’t know, the Protocols were published by fanatical Russian anti-Semites in 1903 as a means of inciting murderous pogroms against the Tsar’s Jewish subjects. They concern a supposedly secret Jewish plot to take over the world. Brought out of Russia in the aftermath of World War One and the Bolshevik Revolution, the Protocols served to inflame Adolf Hitler’s already passionate hatred of the Jews. Copies of this ur-conspiracy theory are still on sale in bookshops all over the Middle East.

By invoking the Protocols, Thomas – wittingly or unwittingly – was associating National’s Judith Collins with the worst excesses of the Nazis and their admirers. And, it appears to have worked. In her keynote speech to the Southern Regional Conference of the National Party in Queenstown (16/5/21) the name He Puapua does not appear.

Listening to last Monday’s Political Panel, the similarity between the attitudes struck by Ryan, Jones and Thomas over He Puapua, and those struck by the British political class in relation to the UK-wide debate over Brexit is … well … striking. There is that same lofty tone of condescension; that same propensity to belittle those who refuse to endorse the “official” policy-line; the same impression that those opposing them are ignorant and powerless peasants who may be safely waved away and ignored.

The Political Panel’s airy dismissal of their fellow citizens’ concerns was bad enough in itself, but what made it worse was the fact that it was being broadcast on a network supposedly owned by, and committed to serving, the people of New Zealand – all the people of New Zealand. A state broadcaster rigorously excluding any and all voices dissenting from the official line, is something most New Zealanders would expect to encounter in Moscow or Beijing – not in Wellington.


*Chris Trotter has been writing and commenting professionally about New Zealand politics for more than 30 years. He writes a weekly column for interest.co.nz. His work may also be found at http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.com.

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18 Comments

This is a very frightening turn of events for nz we appear to be heading down the track to democracy Fiji style this partnership policy was not disclosed during the election ad they want the public to give them four year terms they appear untrustworthy with three

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The media in NZ gives us a very poor coverage on economic matters and we hear nothing outside of the orthodox mainstream of taxpayer money and government borrowing. TV1 news is particularly poor with its constant reference to taxpayer money being used to pay for services and It seems to me to be a deliberate policy of mass indoctrination.
Outside of this publication we never get to hear any other viewpoints from heterodox economists and so interest.co should be congratulated on this and long may it continue.

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I totally agree with you, but would go further ... the media in NZ give poor coverage about most world news, including economic matters. What has surprised me lately is that when in conversation with a number of my friends, they express the fact that they also have given up with NZ media and get their news from overseas outlets. I know that in order to get true balance, I read the BBC news, NBC, Sky, Reuters, Reddit, ABC, CNBC, etc and notice more people doing the same.

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Goes for me too. NZ news has always been half sport, which with the world on fire hardly seems worth a moment of prime time.

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There have been in the past presenters such as Brian Edwards & Kim Hill who you could justifiably describe as left leaning but even so they were intellectual and sincere enough to draw a sensible line through any one subject regardless how contentious. Nowadays these sort of sessions are nothing but broadcasts by partisan political adversaries at all costs. To each, one side can do no wrong, the other no right. Bloody boorish behaviour producing bumf not worth listening to. Sadly, radio in this house, is now mostly silent.

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Slowly but surely we are heading to The Matrix.
I have no idea how to discuss this with our child when she gets older.

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I have spent ten years putting the bigger questions to RNZ.

From the CEO, on down, they duck, weave, deny, and then go missing in action.

And the BSA standards - to which RNZ proudly claim an input - seem to be about as hopeless; nothing about 'effectively telling porkies'. Best you can do is complain re 'balance'. Don't hold your breath; this is an industry which is a shadow of its former self. Just when we needed real journalism, the real journalists are either spin-doctors now, retired, out of a job because they're not woke enough, or?

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I'm sorry but this has been going on for some years, RNZ is a labour mouthpiece and little else. Nothing approaching disagreement with Labour can be heard, except for the occasional (and carefully selected no doubt) text in from a "listener" who will lightly disagree. Phew, both sides heard now back to the Aroha and hugs.

I explained this to a good friend who works in the media, who is left leaning and there was pretty firm denial. I can therefore assume a portion of the media don't think this is an issue.

I can't listen to it anymore but do check in occasionally to hear Lisa barking at some pitiful bureaucrat for not apologising to any and all fast enough over some completely inconsequential slight.

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CT, for all the criticism he gets, is becoming a firm advocate for democracy!

For RNZ - perhaps they should consider getting Winnie in on that panel?

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In earlier days RNZ was a must listen to,now sadly like 99% of other media outlets their news is based on results of reports,surveys and polls all seemingly with a left wing agenda.

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Trotter nails it this time - ironically, half the time he is of the mainstream himself.......

Comments above about left/right are incorrect; the bigger picture is so much wider - Limits to Growth vs Rights vs pending collapse - than that wee self-blinkering exercise.

RadioNZ is rapidly going down a rabbit-hole. We can confidently sheet this home to the CEO, who probably has to go. The hole it is going down, is to ignore all the macro problems, while focusing (probably for conscience-salving reasons) on self-justifying purity (race and Climate; the one absolving angst about who their ancestors screwed, the other long-windowed-enough to justify carrying on BAU).

Worse, they have an internal mechanism guaranteed to keep the reporters - and that's all they are nowadays, reporters - in ignorance. The mechanism doesn't allow learning, it reinforces mantra-chanting. Add in a younger, less critical, more accepting cohort, and you have the mediocrity they have become.

Pity - we had better once.

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RNZ's listenership is plummeting, down 48K in the latest survey as the punters desert it in droves. Morning report falls by 45K as Hoskings breakfast show rises by 25K. I used to be a regular RNZ listener, these days almost never. The Kim Hill style robust challenges to prevailing ideologies have been replaced with ingratiatingly reverential interviews of a seemingly endless stream of culture wars crusaders. Sacred cows are carefully sidestepped, generating offence now a cardinal sin. Predictable and boring.

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I always thought John Campbell's ambush of Helen Clarke over corngate was a bit of a turning point in how media and politicians engaged.

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Oh well before that we had Simon Walker ambushing Robert Muldoon over some subject, now forgotten. Muldoon and Clark. Indignant, ruffled, infallible and pompous. What an unlikely pair. If the cloth suits, wear it.

ps. I googled it. Subject matter a nuclear attack on NZ by the Soviets. Not easy for my generation, to concede back then, things were just as damn bloody stupid.

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Just love the Aljazeera news service myself with the recent exception being the Israeli Palestine conflict which is starting to show media bias towards the Palestinian cause. I guess while we have religion there will never be unbiased news. Very rarely watch our 6pm news on TV, its total rubbish.

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I am yet to hear a reasoned defence of He Puapua from politicians or media. Politicians who support it do so by attacking those who oppose it. Media who support it (ie. 95% of media) do so not by engaging on the merits of the constitutional issues, but by reporting on what politicians who support it said about politicians who don’t.

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Well said Chris. I gave up on RNZ a couple of years ago. It's bigoted, culture affirming pabulum for the Left. Moaning Report could drive one to suicide...

He Puapua is of tremendous significance for every New Zealander. Our constitution is being subverted by stealth and replaced by a race-based model. Equality of all before the law is being quietly killed off. Collins and Seymour must keep pressing for answers.

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Well said, again, re RNZ these days and the comments below I endorse 100%. When I first struck Jones on The Panel I was annoyed at his sneering dismissal of all folk who don't toe the left-wing party line as bigots....worse, Act voters! I emailed him to tell him so. He apologised if that was the impression I got and said he was referring only to those 'types' already beyond the pale, you know, the likes of those who wanted to hear Molyneux & Southern, racists to a man/woman, those who joined the Free Speech Coalition . I told him I accepted his apology...as a member of that very body, for if it was good enough for the likes of Trotter & Franks, it was good enough for me. Haven't bothered listening to him, or the politics slot since.

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