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The first of four end of year sentiment surveys reports record low confidence as rising financial pressures bite. The year is ending with consumers, farmers and businesses reporting downbeat signals

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The first of four end of year sentiment surveys reports record low confidence as rising financial pressures bite. The year is ending with consumers, farmers and businesses reporting downbeat signals
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The year is ending with plunging confidence, which is broadly through the community.

The Westpac McDermott Miller survey indicates consumer confidence has fallen sharply heading into the holiday season, dropping to its lowest level on record. (Update: The ANZ-Roy Morgan survey is now out and also records a record low in consumer sentiment. The chart below is now updated with their result too.)

They say mounting financial pressures are the major concern that is worrying households. Living costs have been skyrocketing. We’ve also seen sharp increases in borrowing costs.

The weakness in consumer confidence is weighing on household spending appetites, reinforcing expectations for a slowdown in overall economic growth.

A striking feature of this quarter’s survey is how widespread the drop in confidence has been. Confidence has now fallen to low levels across all age groups and income brackets. That highlights just how widespread the headwinds buffeting the economy are. Every household across the country is feeling the pinch from the large increases in the cost of living. And for those households with mortgages, those financial pressures are likely to be even more of a worry.

We are awaiting the similar ANZ-Roy Morgan consumer confidence survey due Wednesday. (Now updated). That one has been signaling a downside recently, but their November levels weren't all-time lows like today's Westpac one.

Separately, farmers are being squeezed by rising interest rates, with debt or other financial concerns eroding mental wellbeing, the latest Federated Farmers Banking Survey shows.

Farmer satisfaction with their bank relationship continues to slip. Although just on 60% of farmers said they were very satisfied or satisfied with their bank relationship, this was down 5 points from the survey six months earlier, and is the lowest since the biannual surveys began in 2015.

Tomorrow's business sentiment survey from ANZ isn't likely to show any uptick either. (Update: It didn't. see this.)

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65 Comments

Confidence is down , but anger is up ... the nation hasn't been this divided and seething with rage since the days of Robert Muldoon  ....

.... 2022 Award for Pissing Off the most People : joint winners are Jacinda Ardern & Nanaia Mahuta .... 

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We need to reflect diversity with the runners up Grant Robertson and Adrian Orr.

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It's better to wipe your a*rse with the Daily Mail rather than actually read it.  But you do what you do.

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I just heard someone saying on radio "up next is the derriere with Tim Mackle"

Did he say Derriere or Dairy Year ? Probably the latter 

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Given I read it online,I won't be doing as suggested...but you do what you do lol...

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Given I read it online

The takeaway point was that one shouldn't read it.  It's trash.

But your enthusiasm for it explains a thing or two.

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Don't be judgy...my point was more around the Channel 10 decision...

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You are not going to like this Brocky;

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Don't be judgy...

Do you have special needs or something?

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You are cranky this morning...lol

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It's the afternoon, Einstein.

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Are you in Australia as you say say Einstein...can you see a clock from where you are sitting? :-)

Local Time

10:12 am

Monday, 19 December 2022 (AEST)

Time in Queensland, Australia

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I'm sitting in Auckland presently. 

It's probably best to avoid looking at a clock too often, as I can see my life ticking away waiting for you to contribute anything of value to this comment thread.

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Welcome back to the 'village' ;-)

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In 2017 Interest.co confidence index in charts was 126 and is now 80 a drop of 36.5%

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Yep that correlates almost exactly to the drop in houses - the only thing most nzers care about, financially speaking.

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It's not so bad, expenditure is up for sure. Wage growth is up also. when your costs are marginal compared to your income then your at nett gain. 

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Doomed I tell ye, we're all doomed Captain Mainwaring

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I think you mean Fraser not Mainwaring

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The photo leading this article is how I picture many of the commentators in here lol...

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It's Printer8

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I logged in to write this same comment

 

...I'll add this image is how I feel to after reading the articles too (i.e., US markets/FED chicken game, NZ property is about to turn, inflation will decrease soon, etc...)

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VMan - Yes, intelligent, hard working and productive and probably waiting for new Aussie immigration rules before buying a one ticket to Aus taking their wealth knowledge and experience with them so NZ can officially change its name to New Zimbabwe.

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looks more like an angry old man,who, if he was going to Oz,would probably head to Wiambila with the other doomsday prepper conspiracy theorists... 

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Come on guys its Christmas, its all Unicorns and Rainbows. The sun is shining, vege garden is looking great. Lawns have been mowed. Employment is near full and the value of my biggest asset.....   wait a minute!

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and the value of my biggest asset.....   wait a minute!

But you bought last year, didn't you think about that first.

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I followed your advice HW2!

BUT in 100 years I will be well ahead, and it's much easier to breed horses on 15H then 800 sq m.

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The worst investments over a year often turn to being the  best investments the next year

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Any investment looks good the following year as long as you buy at the bottom.

How do you know housing has turned, becasue the data...

The three-month rolling average of NZ house prices will have turned positive and stayed positive for three months....

 

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Consumer confidence down massively in Wellington and Waikato.

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Hard to be a confident consumer when every time you enter a shop you've got to worry about being caught up in the next ram raid or armed robbery. 

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Newmarket Business Association head , Mark Knoff-Thomas , says the tills of retail shops in Newmarket were clinking busily all weekend with Christmas shoppers ... 

... this " recession " is a dream of Adrian Orr's ... the economy is still pumping strongly from all the cheap cash he flooded the system with ...

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I have been in a few malls in the past few days, unfortunately. Although busy-ish it felt much quieter than normal

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Maybe they will start boxing day sales on xmas eve again.

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My mate's in retail electronics. Said it's only about 50% of normal Christmas sales. 

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This is what I've noticed too, from a few mall and shopping centre visits to get the Xmas pressies and other essentials.

The malls aren't ghost-towns, but not as busy as I would have thought. Seems to be a lot of people wandering around for something to do, but not necessarily buying. 

I don't have as much exposure to the 'business end' of retail as I once did (all my clients are shutting down for the year now, whereas in my retail salad days the fun was starting about now) but those I keep in contact with are reporting slower-than-expected activity as well.

 

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Yeah.

Also please be nice to the staff everyone. Many won't get their (meagre) sales bonus this year and are also dealing with some outrageous customer behaviour. 

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Albany mall has been mobbed apparently, of course "Mobbed" and people actually spending money can be two different things.

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Went to live theatre on Saturday night , Oxford Tce was positively humming , all the bars & restaurants full to overflowing  ... and a full house to watch  " Cancel Santa " ..

.... folks seem to be ignoring Adrian's plea to stay home & be grinchy ... what a surprise that is .... not ! 

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When one knows that the money they have will be worth less tomorrow, then they will spend it today.
The monetary theory of JM Keynes ignored the Humans, who always act in their own self interest, not the national interest. 

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Online shopping is the rage nowadays. Who goes to the Malls to buy ? May be to the Food Court.

 

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ahh that's because the ram raiders can't get up the escalators or through the traffic on Broadway

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I am going to join the "we don't need any more rate hikes" club. Let the current values play out and maybe just pretend rates are going higher. The wheels are starting to fall off everywhere and I think it would be at least the end of next year before house prices would be properly priced in with current rates.

The only advantage with going to 6% OCR or whatever would be it will look so far beyond saving with public debt, they might not try.

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Tim 52 - keep interest rates the same  and the market will tank the NZ$ - great for exporters not for importers.

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Will it? I don't see a strong correlation with the OBR and overseas rates, there are other factors in play. As long as we don't get an oil price peak at the same time I don't think a couple of months with a poor exchange rate before everyone else stop raising as well is worse than the extra mortgage stress. The imports wont be inflationary if the consumer can't afford them.

Curves are inverted almost everywhere in the West.

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Not looking good. This depression is going to be a doozy

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... eat more fruit , get exercise , sleep  well ... you'll very soon look gooder , and the depression will ease ...

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Misery is contagious...

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... if it was , Michael Baker would've had us in lockdown because of it ... level 4 misery , or red light ...

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Interest.co has a Misery index in Charts which stood at 6 when Labour was elected in 2017 and now stands at 10.6 (June 2022 - update due please) so misery under Labour has increased 76.66% so no surprises that other indicators corroborate this.

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And given a global pandemic,financial meltdown & Ukrainian conflict...is it any wonder...would it be all unicorns & Sparkles if Judith had won the last election?

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What, you mean our pollies and bureaucrats are all frauds? Surely not?

No current politicians talked to the protesters, or stood up for them when they were subjected to psyops torture methods.

It would appear they do not represent anyone but themselves and their foreign masters.

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Is it a good time to buy a house? Aucklanders think so | Stuff.co.nz
https://i.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/real-estate/300766849/is-it-a-go…

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On a net basis, 1% of people who responded to the survey said it was a good time to buy. A reading of 0% would indicate responses were evenly split.

 

Train is leaving the station....  cho cho says the Spruiker.

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You frequently misquote and mis-construe. Then behave like a willy wonker 

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Out today more data from the data guys

https://actuaries.asn.au/public-policy-and-media/thought-leadership/gre…

Worth a look,  considering ASB are forecasting 25% of from peak

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/real-estate/300764255/asb-expe…

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Don't worry HW2 the capital value of residential property is decreasing minute by minute .....while who knows where commercial property stands, with so many still working from home etc 

IMHO I think we are in for a doozee of a recession ....all planned of course by the "powers that be". 

I hope your friendly bank is dishing you out those mortgages, as we need people like you, to keep the "ponzi party" going ! 

So keep up the good work .....tally ho !! 

 

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I can see exactly where you are coming from, now that you are cashed up. Hoping to employ the same strategy you used in the US of A. Buy low sell high, good for you.  Stressed out mortgagors, of which there are not many, need people like yourself, however careful not to gloat or you start looking like a greedy leech

PS don't presume anything.

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HW2, I think this whole PPP (property ponzi party) in NZ, in this last decade or so, has been a total waste of time & money for all  - except for the banks and some multiple properties owners.....like yourself ;) 

If we had a capital gains tax for ALL house sales from the get go (like EVERY other country in the world) that could of helped with the much needed infrastructure etc.

FHB's net incomes would not be "pillaged" by "higher than market" rents, while the tax payer assists these "rents" with the Accommodation Supplement. While they can' t save a decent deposit. 

For people who only wanted one home, the price increases don't matter one iota , as the only way to make any money is to "trade down"....big deal. 

All those mortgage interest payments that went to the banks  -  not into R & D, specialised education, innovative industries, value added products, niche markets, new plant and machinery etc etc 

And what are we left with ..... please answer that ? 

 

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I think this whole PPP (property ponzi party), in this last decade or so, has been a total waste of time & money for all  - except for the banks and some multiple properties owners.....not into R & D, specialised education, innovative industries, value added products, niche markets, new plant and machinery etc etc 

And what have you been doing since the '08 GFC other than speculating on USA residential property 

This generic comment is designed to not give anything away.

 

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HW2 ... I know you probably won't get to read this message, as you will be off on this site, berating some other poor soul on this forum, that didn't follow your "instructions". 

While I have to say, what makes investing in another country's residential property market,  that turns me into some kind of "leech", if I mention it (see your above post ) 

I think property investors (multiple) in New Zealand have "leeched" far more per person from the economy, than anyone in the USA ....while the USA, most of the money is in shares/bonds etc. anyway. 

It's the "system" here in NZ  I have a beef with  -  it has been one of legal tax saving and rebates, assisted rents for dumps, cheap mortgages, no capital gains tax etc .....while all through this time you had John Key saying "high house prices are a good thing" ! ...while Labour were no better and as I have said before, I never thought that I would see a reverse claiming against your mortgage interest, so that was a genuine surprise. 

I have always "contrasted" how the residential property market works here vs. the USA (in my particular area) and I have to say the gross returns are far better for the capital input ie an example  - $155,000 USD cash in (no mortgage from NZ, used my savings) to buy and renovate, then I had the property rented ($1,800 per month) to the same person for 9 years - NEVER raised the rent, and through great property manager, things were always repaired immediately. The tenants looked after the property really well and liked it  - so much so, I sold it to them at reasonable price (not "overinflated" like here !) while his dad was a real estate agent, so I'm sure he knew the market. 

So I had a happy tenant and purchaser, while most of the cash flow went back into the US economy, where it was created. So if you think my "strategy" was anywhere near "leeching" you may as well stay away from 80% of fast food joints in NZ ! 

So, as you said my comment was "generic" I hope the above I wrote, just gives you an insight into why I make "generic" comments about the NZ market, as when you compare the two, I know which one was the better one and where BOTH parties were satisfied and didn't feel "ripped off" or have all their disposable income drained by rent or mortgage/interest payments. 

Anyway Merry Christmas HW2 and lets hope things get back on a more of an "even keel" in the future, for the NZ property market. 

 

 

 

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leeched is a term applicable to motel owners providing emergency housing.

HW2 will still be here Crazy, he may not answer though.

Crazy recession coming, I cannot even begin to establish where I would bid on NZ housing, and I love distressed asset buying.  Anecdotal - Two Builders selling all tools in Orewa, going back home to China, Hilux out front with matching number plates.  Just sayin

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Yep IT GUY , HW2 is a classic case of pushing his own "narrative" to keep what has been going on, for much of the last decade in the NZ property market. Anything that goes against the narrative is trashed. However since covid, the market has definitely "turned" and who knows what 2023 will bring ??? While HW2 will be watching the value of his portfolio decreasing, interest rates rising, he will be thinking "now where can I raise those rents?"  I don't give a toss whether my property dropped by 50% as one house is worth just that  - one house and you have to live somewhere. 

I was just trying in my post above to show HW2 my "reality" I experienced in an overseas market, where the numbers actually "stack up"  - for both property owner and tenant. Which at the end of the day with HW2, is just pissing into the wind. 

There is a crazy recession coming...while the only thing I don't know is the magnitude of it ? While the government might save the people financially when it suits them, the banks are running a business and there are no "free lunches" with that mob ! 

Thanks for your story about the 2 builders  - it speaks volumes !

Cheers and merry Christmas 

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The removal of any addictive habit causes withdrawal problems.

The addictive nature of the last ten years of ever cheaper debt will see its removal be no different. Live within your means, pay off debt(s), don't lock up excessive debt on speculative stuff and leveraged tax avoidance schemes you will be fine.

Cold turkey time...

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My commercial office landlord clearly hasn't read the signs. He bought the building 'half price' from the council a year or two ago and clearly thought he'd made a killing. He told us once the council lease expired he was going to hike our rent 50%. I laughed so hard tea came out of my nose. His justification was that was what they'd budgeted. Yeh, all our systems are online and we can work from anywhere. Meanwhile the building is emptying fast. As long as there is greed there is plenty of money to be lost by speculators.

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