I don’t believe for one second that the vast majority of Kiwis have any true comprehension of just how radical a National/ACT Government would truly be.
Many who voted Labour in 2020 have soured over the lack of transformative change combining with post Covid bitterness and are angry at Jacinda without truly appreciating what voting for National will entail.
If it’s a National/ACT Government, it will be Seymour calling the shots.
The quick yellow fox will jump all over the lazy blue log and David Seymour will get all his crazy policy passed without Luxon caring.
- Māori going to the Waitangi Tribunal over cancellation of 3 waters: The moment the National/ACT Government scrap 3 Waters, Māoridom will go straight back to the Waitangi Tribunal, win the Court Case and force Luxon into his own Helen Clark moment and force him to pass law to simply confiscate the water. This will cause an enormous eruption of violent protest as tens of thousands of Māori will embark upon a hiko to Wellington to protest ACTs amputation of the Ministry of Māori affairs. They will attempt an occupation of Parliament’s lawns and the country will hold its breath.
- Mass immigration: National will simply implement John Key’s pump and dump policy of open door immigration to inflate growth rates while causing enormous stress on the groaning underfunded infrastructure and send rents soaring. This will cause enormous social dislocation and a rise in race relation tensions.
- Expansion of Oranga Tamariki Big Data Experiment: National created the Oranga Tamariki Frankenstein and wants more welfare decided by algorithm as a means to de-invest welfare. Luxon has already championed this model.
- Mass Dairy intensification: It’s all National have as an economic policy.
- Mass Property Speculation: They will remove any of the bare tinkering Labour did and help the speculators spin prices higher.
- Mutilation of the State: ACT are serious about wanting to amputate the Ministry for Women, Youth, Māori, Pacific People and Ethnic Communities while slashing the Human Rights Commission. The resulting Public Service strikes will gridlock Wellington. If there’s one thing the Public Service can do well, it is protesting for their own interests.
- War on Crime: Expect the paramilitary police expansion to occur quickly with a whole dump of new civil liberty breaching powers to supposedly keep us safe but will almost immediately be abused as they increasingly get used on the protesting Left.
- Prison riot and explosion in numbers: The war on crime will see far more in prison and National prefers puritan counter productive prisons so expect them to be crammed full and explode in a seething chain reaction of prison riots once National grant Corrections new powers to beat prisoners with. Corrections are very corrupt and once they gain new powers to bash prisoners with, they’ll be some prisoner who gets beaten within an inch of his life which that will trigger prison riots.
- Rise of more Mass Surveillance & Political violence: The protests such a radical agenda creates will demand the State turn its attention back on the Left while National supporters clutch their pearls appalled at the aggression the Left are protesting with and rally around Luxon rather than criticise the policy. They will call on Luxon to spy on the radical lefties.
- Higher Government Debt: Luxon is no free marketeer, he believes he has 7 properties because Jesus loves him, if debt goes up to pay for the extra prisons, extra Police, extra dairy intensification, extra welfare experiments, extra fake growth, then so be it, he doesn’t care. Oh David Seymour will hate it, but he’ll be so fat and full on his amputation of 6 State agencies that he’ll only be able to mount a burp as a protest. Fat vultures tend to be the most dangerous.
We have lived through a political period of time since MMP that has managed to dilute and temper the idealogical extremes of Left/Right politics in NZ. The need to compromise and pull punches is fundamental to the MMP dynamic HOWEVER that completely gets thrown out the window if there is no political centre left.
The political centre has been hollowed out so much under MMP that Labour and National are almost indistinguishable in their acquiescence to neoliberal mantra.
The far left and far right have enormous pent up political tension that will rupture once Labour or National are dependent on their numbers for a majority.
ACT’s rise is fuelling a toxic polarisation of politics.
The naked hypocrisy of the right to twist ‘One person One Vote’ into a negative egalitarian garrotte around the throat of Democracy while screaming ‘we-are-saving-democracy’ is performative art for Fascists.
Because MMP has always brought in moderating forces like NZ First, the pent up political expression of the Right and the Left has been building for almost a quarter of a century and will finally be expressed this year and with the amplification of anger will result in an election that will see resentment whichever side wins.
When you dog whistle up the worst angels of our nature by manufacturing existential threats to democracy, you generate a confrontation that you are ultimately responsible for.
I think the Conflict Policies of a National/ACT Government would be disastrous for this country.
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A more immediate problem may be Labour, unlike world governments, refusing to exercise any sort of caution concerning overseas visitors bringing further covid strains into New Zealand. Statistically, this would effect mainly older folk, and bumping a reasonable bunch of them off would save pots of money, but every now and then promising young persons, and much need persons get afflicted too and families and lives are shattered.
Labour’s attempt to clamp down upon freedom of speech has also only been put into abeyance, and hangs like the sword of Damocles over democracy in New Zealand. The PM herself advocated global censorship of free speech to the UNO, describing it as a weapon of destruction.
And what about the children ? Labour is the one party hell-bent on annihilating the Commissioner for Children who is the one bulwark against the damage of the ubiquitous algorithm and the damage of a crappy education system and a run-down health service and the big people who batter, abuse, kill and maim very much smaller humans in such world-leading numbers. It seems to me that a government which fails to protect its most vulnerable wee citizens has very peculiar priorities indeed.
labour gave in to the right and business on covid don’t forget that SW if it all goes tits up it’s as much on them as it it is on labour
Gagarin. Agree 100%. It’s a little sickening when we, the little people, behaved in an exemplary way with lockdowns and quarantines, and the whingers are the only voices being listened to now.
You may have not realised but Covid is endemic in New Zealand.
Should we screen for every disease known to man before allowing entry? Monkey Box? All flus? Aids?
The horse has bolted
Yes – correct BG.
Monkey Box is a terrible disease and we put the blame fully at the feet of this rubbish government.
Covid will continue kill more people in New Zealand and the blame lies, and will squarely with this Govt.
Labour were way too quick to shut down MIQ and Air BnB properties still would be a better prospect. But, it is not too late. Plenty of Air BnB’s can take up the MIQ slack.
Plus, Air BnB can also sort out the issues of numerous homeless in motels (caused by Labour’s’ in ability to home the homeless. Most Air BnB’s are spread throughout suburbs, so homeless people would not all be in one area (such as they were in a motel)
“Plus, Air BnB can also sort out the issues of numerous homeless in motels (caused by Labour’s’ in ability to home the homeless”
No. AirBnB enticed landlords to convert rental units to short stay holiday accommodation massively contributing to a rental shortage and homelessness. If airbnb causes homelessness, cancel airbnb, undisrupt the rental market and put the tourists back in hotels & motels.
Hay who was the party who loved to have family’s living in cars and shop doors at night, then sold railway, ministry of works, electricity dept, forestry and state houses of and those they could not sell demolished. National of course!
Shhh, they don’t want to hear the truth Tom!
It’s a worry @Snow White. My suspicions are that you’re a lifetime ‘leftie’, as am I. I just can’t see my way clear to flick Labour a vote at the next erection. It’s too bloody late – especially after the incredible mandate they were given last time in an MMP environment
The lack of imagination; the adherence to media and marketing mantras; commitment to neo-liberalism (even if it is dressed up as only 3rd-wayism); the bullshit spin, the “faith” in “officials” that have a fairly obvious agenda (status quo among other things) – the excusing of really really unbelievable fuckups and incompetence in the senior ranks. Some of it is unbelievable.
I’ve always tried to make allowances for JA – given Her background – she’s genuine and with good intention.
You have to make allowances for the era in which she grew up in, and the ideology she’s studied (and excelled in).
Don’t get me started on Grant too! He’s even worse unfortunately, reliant on cheerleaders [not looking at you @ Bert] who claim leftist credentials, but who in many cases are absolute SLEEZES.
The mandate Labour were given in2020 in an MMP environment, and DESPITE covid, their record of achievement is just bloody pathetic.
I’m sincerely hoping they pull something out of the bag after the holiday break, but I suspect they’ve well and truly fucked it, and it’ll take 3 years of the Right Wing alternative for the electorate and leftist politicians to wake the fuck up.
I’m wondering whether this could mean that we in suburbia watch every house sale in consternation in case one of Key’s mates buys them and turns them into brothels. The parking’s bad enough already, and the prospect of drunken sports teams or pathetic incels knocking at wrong doors and worrying little children and women home alone is something we don’t need. Ambulances in the night. It happens.
Well, sex work is work, thus its taxable, legal, and Winz might even compel young boys and girls of all genders to take a sex work job up in order to not be unemployed, sanctioned and out of money. But of course only in the not so nice areas of town, where the less then good people live. After all sex work is for poor people who would otherwise need a benefit.
Reactionary Bratwurst But it is the Labour government, against all advice, which is inflexible in its determination to abolish the Commissioner for Children and the Nats who support keeping the Commissioner. This makes your scenario a little less likely. The Greens shafting Sue Bradford can be seen as part of the left’s anti-child bias too.
“crammed full and explode in a seething chain reaction of prison riots”
Well that’s exactly what we got under Labour, when they refused to deal with our _existing_ capacity and quality issues.
MB: There is an alternative however it is as risky as your ideas mentioned above.
It is….. BREAK the status quo. Vote for any other party except Labour, National, ACT, NZ First
or the Greens
Throw caution out the window and to hell with the consequences
Ed the Head. Ok, but maybe an exception for NZ First ? Peters and TOP could be an innovative mix; if Mana made a comeback too, woo ‘d -back Sue Bradford got on board… Bradford was a champion for children, the only one we’ve ever had in Parliament, and whatever else he is, Peters is a top Parliamentary performer and oldies trust him; add TOP’s brains, and Labour, Nat, Act and the Greens could just evaporate away, and not before time either.
oh how I wish your fantasy would come to pass Hollyhock.
Stranger things have happened. I now have a lecture book ( Warwick 2B8) in which I list good and kind people I’ve known. One was a once-high profile journo who purloined his mother’s deep freeze for me when I was a poor student. One a Sth African Nat supporter, friend of W Mapp’s with whom he said he lunched weekly, who was one of the practically kindest person’s I’ve known. He died in his sleep aged 47, and the journalist went even younger. So there’s good in all sorts of unexpected places, and inexplicable happenings, and hope springs eternal even if John Cleese seemed to think it a little desperate. It ain’t.
Sure sounds like a path to civil conflict… wait until it dawns on more Kiwis that NACt is now in forever on the back of foreign voters, and just how many foreign voters there are… tick, tock… it’s the sound of the NZ Wars II clock…
I think even National, despite all their usual bluster, know that ACTs ideas are problematic. That’s why you already have Seymour saying that there is little difference between National and Labour when it comes to actually governing.
it’s the same old tory policies that are failing sunak so badly, and the nats can’t break away from their ideological chains to look at solutions.
Chris Luxon is no Sunak.
Sunak is uber-rich and out of touch with people.
Chris’s wealth is earned, not inherited.
Chris is a man of the people.
in a sinicure publicly funded business that couldn’t be allowed to fail
but it’s not about the personality it’s about the poverty of intellect that ties the right to a failed ideology but nice try at diversion
I think the typo in your nom de plume was Freudian. You meant to write “ Chris Luxon is a man of his people”. I think it’s somewhere between 5 to 10% of the population.
“An ACT/National Government would be the most extreme right wing experiment since Roger Douglas”
To suggest what douglas did was an ‘experiment’ might suggest he was acting in good faith while hoping for a positive outcome. [It ]didn’t. It hoped to get clean away with it’s inhuman scams and swindles but specifically with the money. ( Now nine multi billionaires and four now foreign owned banks making more in net profits our economy that anywhere else in the world per head of pop. Look it up.
The reason why that was, is, because *[it] never saw the internet coming.
And now? All and every political act, pardon the pun, is written and enacted to enable the It and its sundry urban crooks to escape with our money while leaving a trail of devastation.
It, must not be allowed to escape.
Lowering the voting age to sixteen? Sure, why not. Lower the voting age to that of a freshly conceived foetus for all I care. What we MUST DO ! Is mandate voting. You must vote! We must all vote.
* It. AKA roger douglas. I can’t write *its name too often because I value the key board on my laptop.
If the natzo’s and greedy, evil, act get ‘in’ Our AO/NZ will become a South Pacific Favela.
the ‘shock doctrine’ was not an ‘experiment’ it was planned with specific outcomes in mind.
Nah. Not saying you are entirely wrong, but I do believe Seymour when he insists this country must have a voice on co-governance, which no other politician but Winston has the guts to say. This is an EMERGENCY!
@ countryboy January 6, 2023 at 8:46 am
” AO/NZ will become a South Pacific Favela”
Great description !
Rotorua already is one. Not created by Luxon either, but by Jacinda.
The vast majority of Kiwis are politically ignorant.
They will vote whichever way the constant relentless subliminal messaging on every media outlet is telling them to vote.
I hear people unconsciously parroting what the sycophantic media spout forth on a daily/ nightly basis.
Critical thinking is out the window! And that is a dangerous place to be.
Seymour and Luxon aren’t smart. Just stupid , ignorant, unsophisticated knee jerkers.
I agree and that is why they voted for a nice smile in 2017 and took no notice of their lack of a real plan. They did not expect to win and the next 5 years have shown their lack of good ideas and ministers to apply them. They were lucky when covid came along and they did a first rate job of handling the immediate crisis but now the gloss is fading and along with it the smile .
Well at least, if Act are apart of the next government as a partner. At least all the Labour supporters can rest assured that they helped get Act elected! They can thank David Lange and Roger Douglas for the 2023 NZ government!
Remember when this all turned to shit for Labour.
Here;
https://www.nzonscreen.com/title/someone-elses-country-1996
Someone Else’s Country looks critically at the radical economic changes implemented by the 1984 Labour Government — where privatisation of state assets was part of a wider agenda that sought to remake New Zealand as a model free-market state. The trickle-down ‘Rogernomics’ rhetoric warned of no gain without pain, and here the theory is counterpointed by the social effects (redundant workers, Post Office closures). Made by Alister Barry in 1996 when the effects were raw, the film draws extensively on archive footage and interviews with key “witnesses to history”.
The only bit this doc missed, was the fact that National and ACT have more of a symbiotic relationship than the Trojan Horse relationship. I’ve already outlined this for you before Danny Boi, but here it is again:
No argument that ACT infiltrated Labour 1984 to 1988….. then ACT and National has gone, and will go, hand in hand with ACT from 1988 to 2022 and will be coalition partners beyond. There were even discussions about David Seymour leading the National Party and beyond! David Seymour put out his100 – day Coalition Plan for National and ACT:
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/07/david-seymour-s-plan-for-first-100-days-in-national-act-coalition.html
ACT and NATIONAL after 1988
From 1988 on, there is a deliberate and planned symbiotic, parasitic relationship between National and ACT. Neoliberalism goes hand in hand with National and ACT. Their policies are so alike.
The name ACT comes from the initials of the Association of Consumers and Taxpayers, founded in 1993 by Sir Roger Douglas and Derek Quigley….
then…..
Don Brash National and ACT
1988 2002 Reserve Bank Governor
2002–2005 47th List 5 National
2005–2007 48th List 1 National
April 2011, still a National Party member ACT Party Leader
Roger Douglas National and ACT
2008–2011 49th List MP for ACT
John Banks National and ACT
1990–1993 43rd Whangarei National
1993–1996 44th Whangarei National
1996–1999 45th Whangarei National
2011–2014 50th Epsom ACT
Richard Prebble National and ACT
Leader ACT from 1996 to 2004….
1996–1999 ACT
1999–2002 ACT
2002–2005 ACT
How many alliances between ACT and Labour between 1988 and 2022 NONE – ZERO – ZILCH
You better get your right-wing pals at DPHQ (Dirty Politics Head Quarters) to delete all the links between National and ACT, that were clearly shown through a cursory glance of Wikipedia.
You fucking right-wingers are all about creating “a new reality”, the closeness of National and ACT since 1089 is irrefutable.
…OOPS 1989 …
‘They’ gave birth to ‘it’ and they havent changed anything!
Another myopic right-wing Dirty Politics mouthpiece denying the truth about National and ACT.
Another NACT sycophant with his fingers in his ears going “wah-wah-wah” claiming NACT alliances are “Fake News”.
Talking NACT head, badly in need of another well-slung low-flying dildo!
How many alliances between ACT and Labour between 1988 and 2023 Danny Boi?
Kua whiwhi te ngeru i to arero Denny Paoa ?
Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateaturipukakapikimaungahoronukupokai whenuakitanatahu (Tane/Male/Man, not Female/Woman)?
I prefer fish and chips and kina after a big day out fishing au. How about you, with no name ehoa?
Typical right-wing paid shill.
Attack the person, not the argument Danny Boy.
How many alliances between ACT and Labour between 1988 and 2023 Danny Boy?
How many alliances between National and ACT between 1988 and 2023 Danny Boy?
OMDB Some refer to Christopher Luxon, former ‘runner of an airline’ and now infamous eggheaded owner of multiple ‘investment’ properties, as the ‘second coming’. (Being a lady, I won’t elaborate on that) All he knows is sales – like Key before him – although he doesn’t quite have the #StreetSmarts of Mr chowKey, now a proud purveyor of the business of the flesh – and his objective is ‘to get more bums on seats’. The problem is, that coupled with the incel, those ‘bums aka bottom feeders’ may only ever get ‘seats’ – if they are lucky. However, I have observed so many malcontents, so many ingrates who would rather call for Jacinda Ardern’s head than ever comply with common sense requirements which could have resulted in NZ quashing the horrid COVID. It is acknowledged that nobody really knows the scope of the virus which, like the pimples Luxon had whilst at King’s College, keeps on keeping on, so nobody can say when it will be over. Nobody – especially not National’s media cheerleaders. tbc
Jealousy is driving all this anti-CL sentiment.
Chris Luxon is beyond reproach.
He speaks his mind, which sometimes gets him offside with the Beltway Political elites.
Time for a man of the people, like John Key did, to run this country for hard-working New Zealanders, rather than for beneficiaries and those bottom-feeders that don’t want to work for a living.
There are only 3.5% unemployed, ( or those whose employment is ram-raiding and thieving).
That means that 96.5% of the working population of New Zealand deserve to be rewarded for their hard-work, not the govt using IRD taxes to pay for bollards, or confiscating fresh water from councils, so they can be passed on to the Waitangi Tribunal.
Let’s see who gets a better reception at Waitangi celebrations this year shall we Martin – that should show you the will of the people (after noon)
So many lies in there, I’ll leave it at that.
“speaks his mind”…..hmmm that explains why he has said so very little of any worth!
Hang in there Shona. He doesn’t have to say much of worth to say more than Jacinda ever has.
Shona. Cold head syndrome. That’s where the heat goes, up, up, and away. Given that he’s also given to wearing flip-flops, he’s likely got cold feet too. If my darling gran hadn’t died, someone could have gotten her to knit him a beanie and some nice warm sox. She was expert on turning heels. Ever tried to knit a heel ? She passed, there’s a reason for everything, he may as well just give up now.
Or the sentiment could be driven by the constant “clarifications” to what he really meant to say. Throw in evangelical Christian and there is enough to say ‘thanks but no thanks’ when itt try comes to being PM.
I think you meant to say John Key was a man of the people….’s congress of the PRC.
Speaking of “When you dog whistle up the worst angels of our nature”, how’s this:
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2021/03/m-ori-party-mp-rawiri-waititi-s-tweet-about-p-keh-being-archaic-species-was-made-by-someone-else.html
and this:
https://www.thedailyexaminer.co.nz/who-is-joanna-kidman/
Pope Punctilious 11. Others have commented upon Kiwi’s lack of critical thinking, which I don’t hesitate to blame entirely on the deliberately dumbed down education system. Kidman’s juvenile diatribes emanating from a “Professor”, which was once a reasonably honourable academic role, suggests that tragically, the universities also now harbour persons exemplifying the complete antithesis of the raison d’etre of the university, and once again we are failing our young people badly, which is either very foolish, or wickedly Machiavellian. Whatever, it’s still a hell of a waste of potential.
This female seemingly objected to the naming of a university cat, for heaven’s sake, saying that the feline was called after some murderous colonialist thug, but she seems to have no problem with a family aquatic centre being name after Te Rauparaha possibly the biggest mass murderer in New Zealand’s history, and I think that she’s a two-faced racist old thug herself if she thinks that killing people is okay provided it’s a Maori who does the killing.
Seems to me that she might need to resolve her own familial issues and see a decent shrink instead of, IMO, projecting screwy sort of prejudices onto innocent others, and that her being an arbiter of hate speech is a ridiculous oxymoron.
Traditionally professional staff have had to work hard and diligently to progress through academia and I think that J Kidman has too much time on her hands and that the devil makes work for idle hands.
At election time, I hope people remember who appointed Kidman to head a centre to tackle supposed “violent extremism”.
Graham Adams pointed out that whereas Key denied the existence of real problems (like infrastructure not keeping up with population growth), Ardern’s trick is to invent imaginary problems (like an epidemic of “violent extremism”) and then pretend to solve them.
Pope Punctilious 11. Who did appoint J Kidman to the preposterously named Centre of Excellence at VU ? And how is “excellence” measured anyway? By dubbing oneself excellent ? Is there an algorithm for excellence too, or did the marketers running VU think that they were being frightfully clever ?
Originally Ardern said that the coppers would decide what was ‘hate speech’, then hey presto, another bunch of tax-payer funded plonkers sprouts up to show the UNO… something.
Let’s just carry on with appalling under threat of: it would be worse if…..
How’s that working out for escaping the neo-liberal choker-chain around our necks?
Moving into harder and harder times with any chance of a genuine move to the left throttled?
Why do you think people are so angry at Labour?
It seems that after watching reading listening to all that is happening in NZ and the sort of political system we have here that nat/Act et al would grimly go on their way decimating everything that most people hold dear, including affecting their own supporters who are either venal or determinedly ignorant. It also seems to me that those of goodwill in NZ may have to be like the boy in Holland who stemmed a leak in the dyke and had to stay holding the trickle at bay until someone could bring effective help.
I think we need to be careful this year about what we say about Jacinda and Labour; praise the good and demonstrate how the bad could be improved. Deflect the criticism fairly, onto poor administration, knowing that it is a truism in social policy that good well-intentioned and practical, new policies can be mutated by administration and poorly applied to a malign result far from the earlier intentions.
If Nact do get in, and do the privatisation & austerity thing resulting in widespread pain, I wonder if we’ll hear from protest groups like Groinswell & the Laxpayers Union? Gosh.
It still strikes me as very strange that Norman Kirk (our one time prime minister FFS) would say something as ridiculous, simplistic and childish as that attempt at describing the wants, needs and motivations of humanity. Perhaps his 14 year old grandkid said it.
The words Norm actually used were:
“Basically there are four things that matter to people: they have to have somewhere to live, they have to have food to eat, they have to have clothing to wear, and they have to have something to hope for.”
I know because Norm said them to me when I interviewed him when leader of the opposition in 1969 for the NZBC. The misquote is pale beside the original.
https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/01-08-2020/the-famous-words-that-norman-kirk-did-not-say
I have been reading Catherine Cookson who particularly wrote about the north English poor
around Jarrow with poor education, few opportunities, who would have understood Norm Kirk’s ideas. Those who think his ideas do not encompass enough seem on a higher plane above the basics of life that are actually necessities. In NZ jobs were snatched away by competition and the economy upended like a Monopoly board; but real life pawns still have living needs. So it’s a sweeping statement that Kirk was talking through his hat. I reply with part of a Pam Ayre’s poem about Starlings:
So the next time you comes out to sprinkle the crumbs out,
And there’s starlings there, making a noise,
Don’t you be so quick to heave half a brick,
It’s the misses, meself and the boys!
https://community.rspb.org.uk/chat/f/poetry-corner/46316/we-re-starlings-
Thanks Grey.
Sure, there’s no disputing the necessity and value of those things, even someone in prison is granted at least those. It’s the reductionism that grates.
Humans are the most complex thing in the universe (as far as we know) – look the hell out when that complexity is arbitrarily reduced to the sort of simplistic nonsense that Big Norm spouted. If history is any guide it’s often an excuse for the imposition some absurd, unworkable and downright dangerous solution to problems they don’t understand.
I’m very fearful.
Neoliberalism has reduced a once decent society to a penniless carcass.
Act and National are going to burn or sell the bones.
And to think that this current Labour government had a full majority and nothing ever trickled down to the deserving poor.
That’s because the last National govt left nothing for Labour to trickle down. At least get your evidence right.
A full majority squandered. Labour, led by Jacinda Ardern did that all by themselves.
MB frets about the an imagined “extreme right-wing experiment” while ignoring the fact that our current government is hell-bent on subverting democracy.
Clearly things will have to get much worse before large numbers of people will wake up and begin to fight for their own interests.
Rising strike action internationally could be a good sign.
It isn’t often that farmers are angry enough to protest, but now the worker-farmer alliance may finally rise from its century-long slumber.
It is highly unlikely that major change will occur until the two main parties are swept away and replaced, however. They are simply too corrupt to be saved.
Spot on Kristoff.
Unlike their namesakes, it amazing how docile NZers are.
Labour can not escape the gravitational pull of the Lange & Roger Douglas ‘error’ of adopting neoliberalism.
Since then they have had many opportunities to remedy this but have failed to do so. They are doomed to be a political force from here on in.
Watchout for Labour flying the white flag at all the people they cancelled and their supporters, gestapo neo fascist followers that ‘hated-on you, now want you to come join them to vote for Labour again!
Youve got to be fuck’n dumb to do that! I mean, YOU HAVE TO BE FUCK’N DUMB TO DO THAT!
‘They are doomed to be a political force from here on in.’
Or do you mean – ‘They [Labour] are doomed
to beas a political force from here on in.’?To be or not to be? I think there is no question about Labour. Roman – thumb down. But looking at the other hand, worse can be in store if they don’t get in. Can you believe it, that we are stuck in this mire? Ooh, are your short and curlies being pulled, mine are. We all have to bear the pain to make even a tiny gain. (Quote from Roger Douglas?, and he has devoted his life to this platitude and the pathos!)
How many alliances between ACT and Labour between 1988 and 2023 NONE – ZERO – ZILCH
How many alliances between ACT and National between 1988 and 2022?
How many alliances between ACT and National in 2023?
Did you read how many times ACT and National have been aligned in 34 years
CameronDenny?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACT_New_Zealand
“Youve got to be fuck’n dumb to do that! I mean, YOU HAVE TO BE FUCK’N DUMB TO DO THAT!”
You’re right Wi, more alliances between National than ACT than between Labour and ACT
Deafening silence again from
CameronDanny Boy?Deafening silence to questions a 15 year old could answer by looking up Wikipedia.
Go on Vote National!
I know you all want to.
A far right wet dream.
What urks me is that when Nact sell the last of the silver wear to their donors/handlers ( health . water and the air we breath ) a future govt with a conscience will be unable to renationalise due to the small print in these pesky trade agreements . To do so would in effect be a declaration of war against some of the biggest globalist corporations in existence . I fear for our grand childrens future if these venal ticket clippers ever get back in .