FINALLY!
There has been an enormous amount of pressure behind the scenes to convince Labour that the Hate Speech fiasco would be the nail in Labour’s coffin.
Faafoi now admitting that the law won’t be passed this term is recognition that they know they can’t win this.
Drop a drip of power onto your average Middle Class Identity Politics Spinoff/Stuff subscriber and they mutate into a thousand Tiny dictators, a phalanx of little sisters whose eyes gleam with the same Dogma Cult of Mao’s Cultural Revolution.
What we are seeing is cult of woke fascism fixated on cancelling or deplatforming all that triggers them.
The glee with which the Woke will purge everything for their grim Identity Politics utopia should cause all Left wing people of conscience to recoil from this cultural virus and turn on it first before we take out National and ACT!
It’s time the adults of the Left stepped up and sent the children to bed without their vegan supper or cycle powered wifi!
I agree the 50year law needs changing and there should be an expansion of anti discrimination protections but criminalizing speech to satisfy the Woke’s low threshold for hate in a triggered outrage culture is a recipe for fucking disaster!
Look at how badly the Middle Class Marxists screaming NAZI damaged the wider Left over the Dumb Lives Matter protest on Parliament’s Lawns, triple that if the Hate Speech Law proceeded!
Incitement to violence is a clear threshold and we allow the Human Rights Commission to act as a filter for that bigotry by bringing people together to educate and attempt to resolve discrimination issues, but the Woke don’t want a filter, they want a weapon!
They saw this Hate Speech Law as a means to smite the dirty filthy racists, the evil transphobes and raping misogynists.
This wasn’t social policy, for them it’s a revenge fantasy!
Their daily to do list would look like this
-meditation
-yoga
-self actualize while taking selfie for Instagram
-correct others on their te Reo pronunciation
-cycle to drop off recycling while militantly supporting all Womens sport
-call police and report a misuse of pronouns as a hate crime
-get into Twitter argument about Meghan Markle living her best life, report to Police as hate crime and try to get the person sacked
-juice cleanse
-bake bread & be present with gratitude
Throwing someone in jail for 3years using a law defined by the police is not a liberal progressive democracy no matter how noble the life goals!
It’s gotten to the stage where I can’t tell the difference between a woke lynch mob and a sensible sentencing lynch mob!
For fucks sake, we are the NZ Left dammit! We don’t shy away from debate! Our forefathers bleed on foreign dirt against the Nazis in World War 2 so that no citizen should be forced to live under the tyranny of Fascism! Our forefathers fought for the belief of the individual protected before the might of the State, that no Government should abuse the gifts of Democracy by enslaving its own people!
Everyone in a liberal progressive democracy deserves the same agency. Muslims, Queer or Trans people shouldn’t feel abused and threatened or frightened of simply being in public. Graeme Edgler has written extensively upon this and makes excellent points on how we could balance freedom of speech with the right to not feel threatened.
The debate must be focused on anti-harassment, not free speech!
Adding gender identity and religion to the existing discrimination legislation is absolutely righteous, our fellow citizens and comrades deserve to live in a society that can’t discriminate against them!
The solutions here are beefing up and expanding our current systems to ensure people aren’t harassed or discriminated against, the solution is not handing the power to censor opinions to the State!
We must also be focused on better public broadcasting and more regulations on social media (including taxes to fund that journalism) to stop the algorithms from weaponising debate.
If Government wants to make NZ more ‘socially cohesive’ they should build more houses, use a wider range of taxes against corporations and fully fund mental health, education and public health – they shouldn’t implement blasphemy laws and criminalising misuse of pronouns!
Labour backing down is such an enormous relief, the only winner of this would have been ACT.
There is a God!
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” Everyone in a liberal progressive democracy deserves the same agency. Muslims, Queer or Trans people shouldn’t feel abused and threatened or frightened of simply being in public ”
YES YES YES YES
Is sanity ever so slightly recovering in this LINO bunch of mindless idiots.
Good news. I could see it being so divisive, and had myself received some weird censures already from certain commenters ready and willing to challenge and use blogs and other message exchanges. like trampolines – higher ever higher. Thinking, too many opinions would be baked with white flour not the whole grain that I prefer.
And people go looking for things to object to. Perhaps if a new party gets formed it will be the Objectors and Protesters Party, MOP for short with the M coming from Massive. (Slogan – Clean up Sleazy Politics NOW.)
The new party could be the wankers party
well, we already have that, so what would change 🙂
Yeah it was a trap set by National. English refused to remove the blasphemy law leaving that to Labour – hoping they would replace it with a hate speech law. And as proud custodians of Churchili’s England National/ACT would fight to defend free speech/western civilisation.
If they had slipped it through before the 2020 election – the police warnings/investigations/prosecutions since would have made the “mandate” protests on parliament grounds much much worse.
maybe the way to get a social housing program is to commission a poll
seriously though backing down on that fiasco was good
Phew
Excellent. That can be put to one side now, and hopefully the Human Rights Commissioner will pause and reconsider himself.
I’d say Labours internal polling is terrifying them – switcheroo on cost of living crisis and fuel tax, hate speech walk back (or is it? And who’s going to vote for them knowing they still want to bring it in next term) and news that after refusing twice, Ardern now wants to meet with Groundswell.
What now for 3 waters?
It’s very obvious the Maori cabinet have been running Labour until now, this could get interesting.
And that is they key question:
Who is going to vote for them knowing they still want to bring it in next term?
I guess the answer to that question is: The gullible and those with short memories.
When I’ve been to (obviously) restrictive countries you find that everything is illegal. It’s not that you’re constantly being arrested it just means that if you rock the boat there are million ways to stop you with some trivial law.
Yep, putting in laws that most people can be found guilty of if someone in power want that…. reminds me of…
Picking quarrels and provoking trouble (Chinese: 寻衅滋事; pinyin: xúnxìn zīshì) (also translated as picking quarrels and stirring up trouble or picking quarrels and making trouble) is a crime under the law of the People’s Republic of China.
Fuel excise tax cut.
Bus fares half price.
Abandoned badly written unwanted hate speech laws.
Jeezus, has the Ardern Labour government finally awoken from their political coma?
It’s there more sensible work to come? Getting a competent Minister of Housing? Could that be next?
Xray: “Jeezus, has the Ardern Labour government finally awoken from their political coma?”
Looks like it. But way too late: there’s an election next year. Can’t see them suddenly discovering competence at this late stage, when there’s been a dearth of it thus far.
Relief to hear about the proposed hate speech law. Let’s hope that it falls through a hole in the world, and we see nothing more of it, ever again. A truly dumb idea.
Nothing like a bad poll to get a government to pull their collective heads out of their collective arses hey…
Bullet dodged
Won’t be passed ‘this term’.
Nope Labeen woke have not given up and just waiting to get into power to pass it, next term, by the look of it!
When you can’t build houses or roads or regulate supermarkets or fuel or carbon or power or banks, I guess what is left for woke committees to do is to put more woke management on top of the existing structures and give themselves something to do. Normal government functioning seems well beyond their abilities.
The only reason many in NZ didn’t die of Covid at the rates of other countries is that government unearthed some sane person who was actually qualified in medicine to advise them. Luckily the woke committee members were all on lockdown and only just got organised.
Now the woke are let out of lockdown and mastered the technology to communicate with other international woksters and right wingers, they are busy loading NZ hospitals with Covid cases, and opening the borders for more free medical care for all so they can have their long awaited holidays. (Well let’s face it, plenty of woke managed to leave NZ taking up MIQ spaces as a priority to visit their families and go on international talk fests with large entourages).
Now we can finally fill the prisons and courts up, not with the increasing violent offenders, family courts feuds, and financial crimes, but with evil speakers who make bad jokes, alarm people and don’t agree with the wokesters world views! Look forward to a 2 -3 year wait for court appearances, as justice stalls further in NZ.
Don’t expect the police to turn up to your burglary, fraud, or violent crime. Security resources are being siphoned off for woke police. Likewise the SIS won’t worry about violent terrorists coming to NZ, it’s the micro aggressive middle class of NZ that need surveillance on! Like the Green Party says, it’s actually their fault, not the terrorists. NZ is so woke and virtue gathering when terrorists try to leave to fight jihard, our immigration refuse to let them go and allows them more opportunities to kill Kiwis instead. Meanwhile more people in poverty in NZ, get fewer resources as they are reserved for the worried, woke, well, worry.
Woke are fighting to get the dumbest people into NZ that other countries pass on. The woke can then employ their dumb lives matter brigade as red guards to join the gangs in public humiliations, cultural revolution style! Yipee!
I don’t think woke stupidity delayed by a term, is going to help NZ.
and what/who do you mean exactly by ‘woke’ SNZ, do you have a definition or is it just a catchall for ‘people I don’t agree with’…
Woke are the left version of right wing totalitarian control freaks, devoid of practicality and empathy for the masses and favour their 2% to control everyone.
The 2% are always right and need huge security forces to make sure that their version of truth is the only one and everyone else should be criminalised.
Woke NZ is when police are cautioning religious street preachers for hate speech while a lone police officer follows large gangs who are committing crimes but police no longer intervene as don’t have the backup or political willingness. People start to be beyond the laws that others have to abide to. In woke NZ… Some people are more equal than others in (animal farm) NZ.
Woke NZ are when wokesafe prosecutes the helicopter pilots that tried to save lives in White Island volcanic eruptions for poor paper work and the government rescuers don’t come because it is too dangerous now to save people. (Pike River another example).
Woke NZ is when saying a woman is biological becomes censored (and soon to be a crime) and political figures seem to be the most intolerant.
“Lower Hutt’s Mayor has apologised after saying controversial group Speak Up For Women could hold one of their events in a council waste bin.” https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/speak-up-for-women-controversy-billboard-removed-mayor-apologises/CGUGDIAATDU3CCE56TUMCMJOQM/
Woke NZ is when a handful of woke wreck the pride parade, because nobody is good enough to go and may trigger others.
Woke NZ is when the students against climate change disband themselves as they are not good enough to protest anymore and individuals target other culturally who are not allowed to protest.
thought so only ‘incidents’ you catagorise as ‘woke’ no actual ideology just ‘I don’t like it’
don’t feel too bad I use ‘woke’ just as imprecisly, we all do.
I think ‘woke’is an OTT reaction or filtering everything said to be sure it is according to some self-opinionated compassionate mentality and consideration which instead of being divided into sheep or goats, are victims or insensitive reprobates.
apassive-aggressive it would seem is what ‘woke’ people TEND to be.
What characterizes the passive-aggressive narcissist is their barely disguised sense of superiority, conceit, and entitlement. They are inclined to become covertly hostile when they don’t get their way, no matter how unreasonable.18/11/2018
7 Ways to Identify a Passive-Aggressive Narcissist
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@gagarin, on the contrary I think you are falling into the woke mantra of, meaningless, talkfest based, contrary, semantics – the evidence of woke behaviour is actually their poor results that don’t make any sense and destroy wellbeing for others while taking the moral high ground (in their heads).
Cultural revolution was similar. To take power they used stupidity, humiliation, social disharmony, followed by death and destruction, much of which made no practical sense but nobody was allowed to disagree with new rules as disagreement was criminalised.
“The Four Pests campaign (Chinese: 除四害; pinyin: Chú Sì Hài), was one of the first actions taken in the Great Leap Forward in China from 1958 to 1962. The four pests to be eliminated were rats, flies, mosquitoes, and sparrows. The extermination of sparrows is also known as the smash sparrows campaign (Chinese: 打麻雀运动; pinyin: dǎ máquè yùndòng) or eliminate sparrows campaign (Chinese: 消灭麻雀运动; pinyin: xiāomiè máquè yùndòng), which resulted in severe ecological imbalance, being one of the causes of the Great Chinese Famine. In 1960, the campaign against sparrows was ended and redirected to bed bugs.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Pests_campaign
Woke want to cancel, biology, religion, equality (some people are more equal than others aka woke led pride and student climate change where they cancel and divide protesters who are not good enough), cancel rental housing, cancel pretty much anything practical or real and replace it with concepts led by dumb people.
Like the Four pests campaign, they removed their ‘pests’ without any understanding of the place they had in the ecology which led to widespread famine in China. Nobody was allowed to disagree and point out it would not work, or they would be arrested.
The woke want their special police and the power to arrest people who do not agree with their views.
once again SNZ just anecdotal, well not even anecdotal actually just a screed of assertions backed by an old, very old maoist agricultural fail….or are you contending ‘the great helmsman’ had pink hair and advocated for LGBT rights?
You mean like ALT Right, Far right, river of filth and ferals?
Yep wokeies are just a far leftie fringe version of the righties. They pretty much believe the same things, go figure.
except the ‘woke’ aren’t even slightly left, nothing on economics nothing on class just ‘feel feels’
Woke reminds me of cultural revolution – power grab – self empowerment to the stupid – kill off culture and diversity of opinion – and now they want to criminalise disagreement.
except the cultural revolution was carried out by mao and his wife not ‘the masses’ who were led by the nose..trumpanistas is a much more apt comparison..
to misqote Wilde
..the unscrupulous in pursuit of the uneducated
(and their money)
“There is a God!”
Haha…… so it would seem. Yes, Virginia…..as that story from the US has it. Though in that case, it was Father Christmas.
None of this changes the fact that they are petty tyrants without a scrap of political nous.
*Ding dong! The witch is dead!*
Now get to work on the right wing bias that they are determined to keep by employing Simon Power to head TVNZ !!!
Not just free speech but FAIR speech.
So it will be passed next term?
What a cynical group of career politicians these are. They are like real estate agents who, when its a bull market fail to return your call as they are too important and busy to converse with a grub like me, but when the houses are not selling they are all nicey nicey and your best friend again. Go away Ardern, you are a phoney and your fired.
No cause for complacency. Suppression of politically incorrect dissent is in the political DNA of the current LINO and Green parties – and the so-called “The Maori Party” too. Plus Paul Hunt is a strong supporter of tougher hate speech laws. So this battle may have to be fought again in the near future if a LINO-Green-Maori Party government gets elected in 2023.
the right are also ‘woke’
comic mentions holocaust..ban it
schools teach biology..stop it
someone mentions slavery…shut them up
that’s not my opinion….cancel it
all the same retrogressive know nothings on both sides
…using the very word ‘woke’ as a pejorative is rightwing SJW snowflake virtue signalling at it’s shallowest
and yes I use it in a slack manner too, it doesn’t make it right, it’s just makes me lazy.
It may have to be reconsidered, It is a great way of taking people’s minds away from semi-starvation, homelessness, hopelessness, dlimate change etc. It’s a sort of pass the parcel system where people have to watch for the parcel and while they are distracted, the salaries and perks keep tumbling in to the already gifted.
While I agree with your statement “Muslims, Queer or Trans people shouldn’t feel abused and threatened or frightened of simply being in public” I do not see any harm in being able to politely disagree with them. Before covid there were often JW or Morman people visiting who wanted to share their beliefs. While it felt like banging your head against a brick wall I would show them the faults with their beliefs which then resulted in those visitors suddenly deciding to leave.
While the same-sex/transexual situation gets weirder every year I have not seen any scientific explanation (chemical, biology, DNA) to prove that difference which leaves the obvious explanation that it is all in the mind. Since we are born with a sinful nature which is expressed in different ways among people that to me is a rational explanation. Having said that society gets to decide the rules it wants to live by & since most have rejected the concept of a loving creator God there is no sense in trying to punish those who disagree with Him.
indeed it isn’t even a concept because personal offence is…Well just PERSONAL offence actually
Corection:
” Hate Speech fiasco would be [another] nail in Labour’s coffin.”
thoughts and speech cannot be regulated, pointless, it’s a none starter what society does do is regulate actual actions taken as a result of those attitudes..
ie—you can have what views you like on religion x, but assaulting it’s adherents is a crime.